Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Chat about Show Buddy Active - lighting & video control software
Post Reply
Dave Brown [admin]
Posts: 1699
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Dave Brown [admin] » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:08 am

You may find that when you load a fixture into DMXIS Platinum, it displays too many icons, or not enough icons on the visualiser, or doesn't display colours correctly. This indicates that the fixture needs some tweaking to work with Platinum.

Platinum examines each fixture to find the "heads", and each head is displayed on the visualiser as a separate icon. For example, an RGB parcan has one head, an 8-channel dimmer pack has 8 heads, an LED strip with 6 RGBAW sections has 6 heads.

Platinum creates heads according to these rules:
  • If there is at least one Dimmer channel, and no RGBAW channels, create a head for each Dimmer channel;
  • If there is at least one RGB/RGBA/RGBW/RGBAW block, create a head for each block;
  • Otherwise, create a single head.
In addition:
  • RGBAW and Dimmer channels must be defined as type "D" in the fixture file.
  • RGBAW must be named "red", "Red", "R", "green", "Green", "G" etc in the fixture file.
These simple rules will cover most popular fixtures. However, the more fiddly fixtures present a problem - not just for Platinum, but for every DMX visualiser out there. I'm thinking of those 'adventurous' fixtures that try to combine a laser, two moonflowers, a toaster oven and an electric toothbrush on one convenient t-bar.

For those more complex fixtures, it's usually best to split it into several fixture files , one for each logical section of fixtures.
Dave Brown - db audioware
Author of DMXIS | D-Pro | Show Buddy | Show Buddy Active | ArtNetMon

Hambone
Posts: 38
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:51 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Hambone » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:49 pm

Thank for the guidance. I apologize in advance for my ignorance!

So, when editing a fixture in the online Fixture Editor, is it "Name" or "Short Name" that must be red/Red/R, etc?

Also, how do I define a channel as D? I don't see a D in the Category/Subcategory drop-downs.

davep2000
Posts: 22
Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:49 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by davep2000 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:52 pm

Dave Brown [admin] wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:08 am

These simple rules will cover most popular fixtures. However, the more fiddly fixtures present a problem - not just for Platinum, but for every DMX visualiser out there. I'm thinking of those 'adventurous' fixtures that try to combine a laser, two moonflowers, a toaster oven and an electric toothbrush on one convenient t-bar.

For those more complex fixtures, it's usually best to split it into several fixture files , one for each logical section of fixtures.
Dave I have the Showtec QFX gig bar as I mentioned in another post.
It has the derbys, pars, spots and laser on one bar under one dmx address
I'm guessing I own the toaster and toothbrush version.
I understand the need to split the existing fixture into smaller manageable channels for platinum to recognize them
How will this affect my current imported lighting scenes in the demo, and how showbuddy will see the new fixtures?
Does this mean I have to reprogram my old light shows with new split QFX fixures?
And how do I address each derby, par etc with one DMX address?

Thanks

Dave

Dave Brown [admin]
Posts: 1699
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Dave Brown [admin] » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:59 pm

Hambone wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:49 pm
So, when editing a fixture in the online Fixture Editor, is it "Name" or "Short Name" that must be red/Red/R, etc?
Short name. (Long name is only used in D-Pro)
Also, how do I define a channel as D? I don't see a D in the Category/Subcategory drop-downs.
Choose Category = Dimmer

(Sorry, when I referred to "D", I was talking about the contents of the actual .dmx fixture file)
Dave Brown - db audioware
Author of DMXIS | D-Pro | Show Buddy | Show Buddy Active | ArtNetMon

Dave Brown [admin]
Posts: 1699
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Dave Brown [admin] » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:13 pm

davep2000 wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:52 pm
I understand the need to split the existing fixture into smaller manageable channels for platinum to recognize them
How will this affect my current imported lighting scenes in the demo
It won't affect them at all. (Fader positions, oscillators settings aren't linked to the loaded fixtures)
, and how showbuddy will see the new fixtures?
Show Buddy only uses bank & preset names - it doesn't care what fixtures are loaded.
Does this mean I have to reprogram my old light shows with new split QFX fixures?
Nope, no reprogramming required.

Splitting the fixtures is simply a way to get the Platinum visualiser working more accurately for very complex devices.
And how do I address each derby, par etc with one DMX address?
If you can point me towards the manual, I can tell you exactly.
Dave Brown - db audioware
Author of DMXIS | D-Pro | Show Buddy | Show Buddy Active | ArtNetMon

davep2000
Posts: 22
Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:49 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by davep2000 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:20 pm

Dave

https://www.highlite.nl/silver.download ... _GB_V1.pdf

I added my QFX fixture online but it isn't public
There is another there though
And I'm guessing the fixture will need tweeking
I just get one head appearing at the moment

Thanks

Dave

Hambone
Posts: 38
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:51 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Hambone » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:26 am

Dave Brown [admin] wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:59 pm
Hambone wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:49 pm
So, when editing a fixture in the online Fixture Editor, is it "Name" or "Short Name" that must be red/Red/R, etc?
Short name. (Long name is only used in D-Pro)
Also, how do I define a channel as D? I don't see a D in the Category/Subcategory drop-downs.
Choose Category = Dimmer

(Sorry, when I referred to "D", I was talking about the contents of the actual .dmx fixture file)
Fantastic. Thanks!

Hambone
Posts: 38
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:51 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Hambone » Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:03 am

Does this mean that fixtures that use only RGB channels for color values without a separate dimmer channel cannot use Platinum effects or the visualiser?

Are fixtures with color wheels (i.e. scanners) able to use effects? And is there a way to make pan/tilt show true beam positions in the visualiser?

Finally (lots of questions... sorry!), should a preset that uses an effect reset when a channel masked fixture is used? For example, when I have RGB LED washes illuminated using an effect, and I launch a laser or scanner preset that is masked to not touch the washes, the RGB LED washes still all go black. The masking works fine when an effect is not used.

Thanks for a most awesome product! Unfortunately, it is "making" me buy more RGB LED fixtures... :cry:

Dave Brown [admin]
Posts: 1699
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Dave Brown [admin] » Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:28 pm

Hambone wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 6:03 am
Does this mean that fixtures that use only RGB channels for color values without a separate dimmer channel cannot use Platinum effects or the visualiser?
The effects engine and visualiser support RGB, RGBA, RGBW, RGBAW fixtures, with or without a dimmer channel. Plain dimmers and dimmer packs (i.e. for traditional parcans) also work. Fixtures can have one RGB(AW) block or multiple blocks.
Are fixtures with color wheels (i.e. scanners) able to use effects? And is there a way to make pan/tilt show true beam positions in the visualiser?
Not yet, but both are on my list for the next release.
Finally (lots of questions... sorry!), should a preset that uses an effect reset when a channel masked fixture is used? For example, when I have RGB LED washes illuminated using an effect, and I launch a laser or scanner preset that is masked to not touch the washes, the RGB LED washes still all go black. The masking works fine when an effect is not used.
On your laser or scanner presets, you need to deactivate the effects engine (via the Effect page "FX ON/OFF" button). That will prevent those presets from transmitting any sort of effect output, allowing the existing effect to keep running.

Think of the "FX ON/OFF" button as masking for the effects engine.
Dave Brown - db audioware
Author of DMXIS | D-Pro | Show Buddy | Show Buddy Active | ArtNetMon

Hambone
Posts: 38
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:51 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Hambone » Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:54 am

Thanks, Dave! RGB fixtures are now working after redoing the profiles, and the FX ON/OFF button masking is, too.

I have MIDI-mapped the Fade On/Off button to selectively fade presets, but it seems to fade if there is a Fade Time set, irrespective of the On/Off button. The On/Off button toggles correctly with the MIDI-mapped control, but it continues to fade, even with the button showing Off. Am I missing something?

Thanks again!

Ennis437
Posts: 4
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:16 am

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Ennis437 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:21 am

I was able to successfully reprogram my Eyourlights and get red green blue to show correct colors as well as the dimmer , however white is not showing in visualizer and I also can not see any FX at all with chases and strobes. Any thoughts or things to try ?

Dave Brown [admin]
Posts: 1699
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Dave Brown [admin] » Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:31 am

Ennis437 wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:21 am
I was able to successfully reprogram my Eyourlights and get red green blue to show correct colors as well as the dimmer , however white is not showing in visualizer and I also can not see any FX at all with chases and strobes. Any thoughts or things to try ?
Email the fixture file to support@db-audioware.com and I'll sort it for you.
Dave Brown - db audioware
Author of DMXIS | D-Pro | Show Buddy | Show Buddy Active | ArtNetMon

Ennis437
Posts: 4
Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:16 am

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Ennis437 » Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:02 pm

Wow ! Thank you!

davep2000
Posts: 22
Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:49 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by davep2000 » Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:19 pm

Hi Dave
I'm slowly working my way around 'faux' fixtures to represent my Showtec QFX gig bar
I can get RGB colours for the derbys and pars
I'm trying to get the strobes to fire

The fixture profile for this feature is
0-4 blackout
5-9 full on
10-255 strobe speed increasing

I'd like the strobe ON/OFF feature to give full white light or off from 4 to 9
My visualiser icon goes from 0-255 to full white
I'm guessing its a scaling factor over 0-255 but I cant get it to work

I have sent a link to the document earlier

Thanks

Dave

Dave Brown [admin]
Posts: 1699
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Dave Brown [admin] » Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:25 pm

davep2000 wrote:
Sun Nov 11, 2018 5:19 pm
I'm trying to get the strobes to fire...
With the current 2.0.10 Platinum release, the visualiser shows colours, dimmer levels and pan/tilt positions. There's no way to force it to display other channel types.
Dave Brown - db audioware
Author of DMXIS | D-Pro | Show Buddy | Show Buddy Active | ArtNetMon

davep2000
Posts: 22
Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:49 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by davep2000 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:14 pm

Thanks Dave

Please understand that I'd like maximum visualiser capability with my small footprint kit capability before I buy
I do have a scanner to incorporate too :-)

I was hoping the fixture library 'default' and 'highlight' 0-255 may scale my 4-9 to create an on/off command to full on white
I entered 4 in 'default' and 9 in 'highlight' to see if it would scale the 0-255
I tried it, it doesn't work, but I was hoping that I'd got the 'category' and subcategory' wrong
I don't want the whole range, just on and off
Is that a possible get around?

Thanks

Dave

davep2000
Posts: 22
Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:49 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by davep2000 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:15 pm

Interesting that the demo visualiser triggers my strobes when I select an effect though
A rectangle or star shape etc, so there may be some promise :-)

Dave Brown [admin]
Posts: 1699
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Dave Brown [admin] » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:06 pm

davep2000 wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:15 pm
Interesting that the demo visualiser triggers my strobes when I select an effect though A rectangle or star shape etc, so there may be some promise :-)
If your strobe channel is defined as a dimmer in the fixture file, and is the only channel in the fixture, then it will track the brightness of the effect shapes.
Dave Brown - db audioware
Author of DMXIS | D-Pro | Show Buddy | Show Buddy Active | ArtNetMon

davep2000
Posts: 22
Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:49 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by davep2000 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:17 pm

Thanks Dave
I've checked my fixture,
I have 4 strobes, one for each channel
I have default 4, highlight 9, category beam and subcategory default
:)

davep2000
Posts: 22
Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:49 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by davep2000 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:32 pm

Hi Dave,
I have an Ayra TDC 444 MK2 that I'm trying to get to appear with the Active Effects function in the vizualiser
I can get my other fixtures to respond because they have RGB or just a white light
I've broken it down to a 3 channel 'faux' fixture, colour, pan and tilt that works with oscillators etc
The single colour slider selects various combiations and the pan and tilt work

I'd like to have the colour slider to move with the effect
I know that it wont reflect on the visualiser RGB colours
How can I have 0-255 of colour channel movement that responds to the visualiser?

https://www.bax-shop.nl/downloads/produ ... manual.pdf

Thanks, Dave

DJZombot
Posts: 3
Joined: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:41 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by DJZombot » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:20 am

So, any chance in the future that we can edit moving fixtures definteiions to better represent how they physically perform? Right now in the software, the pan reflects approximately 90 degrees of movement while the real life fixture, using the same values, pans 360.

Dave Brown [admin]
Posts: 1699
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Dave Brown [admin] » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:53 pm

DJZombot wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:20 am
So, any chance in the future that we can edit moving fixtures definteiions to better represent how they physically perform? Right now in the software, the pan reflects approximately 90 degrees of movement while the real life fixture, using the same values, pans 360.
Yes, coming in 2.0.12
Dave Brown - db audioware
Author of DMXIS | D-Pro | Show Buddy | Show Buddy Active | ArtNetMon

DJZombot
Posts: 3
Joined: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:41 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by DJZombot » Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:58 pm

Dave Brown [admin] wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:53 pm
DJZombot wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:20 am
So, any chance in the future that we can edit moving fixtures definteiions to better represent how they physically perform? Right now in the software, the pan reflects approximately 90 degrees of movement while the real life fixture, using the same values, pans 360.
Yes, coming in 2.0.12
Any idea when that might be released?

Sound-guy Steve
Posts: 13
Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:07 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Sound-guy Steve » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:13 am

Dave Brown [admin] wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:59 pm
Hambone wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:49 pm
So, when editing a fixture in the online Fixture Editor, is it "Name" or "Short Name" that must be red/Red/R, etc?
Short name. (Long name is only used in D-Pro)
Also, how do I define a channel as D? I don't see a D in the Category/Subcategory drop-downs.
Choose Category = Dimmer

(Sorry, when I referred to "D", I was talking about the contents of the actual .dmx fixture file)
I'm still confused by this. When defining my fixture, I selected the RGB for the 3 color faders. It defaults to "Colour" in the catagory. Do I need to change all of these to "Dimmer"?

Dave Brown [admin]
Posts: 1699
Joined: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:53 pm

Re: Fixture Profiles and Visualiser Icons Explained

Post by Dave Brown [admin] » Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:02 am

In the online editor, colour channels should look like this:
Screenshot 2019-02-14 at 07.44.25.png
Screenshot 2019-02-14 at 07.44.25.png (82.02 KiB) Viewed 35 times
Dave Brown - db audioware
Author of DMXIS | D-Pro | Show Buddy | Show Buddy Active | ArtNetMon

Post Reply